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Medieval troops mid 14th Century

Posted by Traveller1865 on 12 Dec 2017, 13:52

I seem to have trouble finding good figures for this period, seems manufacturers just skip this period entirely? I need knights in German and Scandinavian style and peasant levy, crossbowmen and normal infantry. Caesar makes a set for the 13th Century that seems somewhat usable, Miniarts German Knights also seem ok but they have visars, not sure they were invented in the mid 1300s? Could someone with a bit more knowledge suggest what sets would be appropriate?
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Posted by carlosfaro on 12 Dec 2017, 22:47

Hi,
Warfare , armour and clothes did not change so fast, specially in lower layers of Society..I will give you my humble opinion as a non-specialist in the era (If you want fine accuracy here I will not be help at all :-D )


Many western european should work for knights, and for Scandinavian peasants you could take some russian militia maybe (another generic peasants can work fne for germans). Figs from early HUndred Years War should work fine for middle XIV Century. .actually late xiv-early xv c is maybe one of the best represented periods in this scale.. You have still sme mail, sobreveste, some plate elements (at least arms and legs), heater shields, still big helmets, kettle helmets..
not sure about visers , the same as you..

I think you can make a good use of several medieval sets.. Your suggested Miniart and Caesar sets (knights and foot soldiers) are a good choice, but All these seem good too in my opinion:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1178 (With no guns)
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1922
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=7
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=563
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=378
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=412
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=406
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=2477
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=6
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1245
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1166
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1309
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1580
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1152
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1599
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1582
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=243
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1800
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=465
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 08:12

Thanks Carlos, I realised when after I posted a lot of those sets on PSR are probably usable, I ordered the Strelets Man-at-arms that are for correct time period http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=2477
The Zvezda sets also seem to be good but a bit large sometimes,
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Posted by Susofrick on 13 Dec 2017, 08:48

I'm been working on a project (will probably never be finished), the battle at Gata Skog March 1365. All of the above sets are fine, I don't have all of them, but one set for medieval civilians is the old Airfix Robin Hood set. Need a little conversion and can be a little small beside Zvezda. A lot of other discussions here, but some ideas you maybe can use. http://bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1185&hilit=battle+gata
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Posted by carlosfaro on 13 Dec 2017, 12:11

Ey Suso that's right, I had forgotten that Gata Forest project!! You had a lot of work there..
Indeed some of the Scottish hillmmen that you used there are also useable as Nordic peasants or wood hunters! (But only those with no Scottish kilts hehe)
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 12:58

I have the old Airfix set, maybe I can add them in the rear ranks to fill out the body of troops. In some reenactments I've seen depicting mid 14th cent battles some visors can be seen but I suspect they first appeared around 1400. Also if only there was a good set of medieval crossbowmen, the Strelets one leaves a lot to be desired...
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Posted by carlosfaro on 13 Dec 2017, 13:36

Traveler, did you check this Valdemar set?
Not specially cheap but figs are quite good for crossbow men
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1309
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 13:58

Yes I saw that, too few men, and the elongated upper torsos are terrible, and they're not in action. So many faults in my eyes..
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Posted by carlosfaro on 13 Dec 2017, 14:34

Haha ok, I see you are exigent customer:)
There are as last ideas, the single kneeling figs in Livonian set from zvezda and Italeri crusaders..


Ah! And Última Ratio releases soon some xiv c italian mercenary, they look nice (and there is a crossbow man there)
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Posted by Susofrick on 13 Dec 2017, 15:40

The crossbowmen at Miniarts Hussites looks quite good, well, the lying one is probably best as a casualty, but the rest. There are quite good ones from Italeri and Accurate too. Here we can see the one from Ultima Ratio: http://bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21160
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 16:12

I need a rather big group of crossbowmen so I would need to buy several sets, but I guess if I buy them over time it could work. Just wish there was a single set with them but maybe in the future, Strelets released an English bowmen set recently so who knows.
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 16:17

Just saw that the French 100 years war set by Zvezda have 12 crossbowmen, pretty good value and "problem" solved! Plus I get a lot of other useful infantry figures!
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Posted by Beano Boy on 13 Dec 2017, 16:28

The Accurate: Men at Arms and Knights i collected in 20mm and 1/32 scale.
I must admit i have a found connection with all those old boys play toys.

It is a shame that Gunnar`s topic was ruined by those Photo Bucket Pirates! BB
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 16:35

Beano Boy wrote:The Accurate: Men at Arms and Knights i collected in 20mm and 1/32 scale.
I must admit i have a found connection with all those old boys play toys.

It is a shame that Gunnar`s topic was ruined by those Photo Bucket Pirates! BB


Yeah the Gataskogen dio would be awesome to see, there's a fix for Chrome browser though called Chrome embed which allows you to see the missing photos: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... fnflicjjgj

The accurate figures are nice, but a bit expensive today.
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Posted by Susofrick on 13 Dec 2017, 17:04

The fix doesn't work anymore. Maybe someone can find a new fix. I don't think Photobucket are that fond of the fixes so that can be a reason they stop working. There was a new fix! :-D https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/photonucket%20embed%20fix?hl=en
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Posted by carlosfaro on 13 Dec 2017, 17:19

Yes those zvezda French guys are a quite valuable set!! As written, for this period you have really many chances :)
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Posted by Traveller1865 on 13 Dec 2017, 18:13

very valuable as you get 12 figures versus Valdemars 10, though Valdemar has more poses but that set seems unavailable everywhere. Also after researching it does seem some early type of visor existed since the 1320´s in Germany so I'm not sure my first source was correct. So the figures with visors are acceptable unless some other information says otherwise.
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Posted by carlosfaro on 13 Dec 2017, 18:24

If visors are also acceptable then you have plenty of soldiers at your control !! :yeah: :-D :-D
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Posted by Paul on 13 Dec 2017, 19:08

Susofrick wrote:The fix doesn't work anymore. Maybe someone can find a new fix. I don't think Photobucket are that fond of the fixes so that can be a reason they stop working. There was a new fix! :-D https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/photonucket%20embed%20fix?hl=en

They can´t block all the fixes ;-)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1185&p=10332#p10332
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Posted by Paul on 13 Dec 2017, 19:42

Traveller1865 wrote: Also after researching it does seem some early type of visor existed since the 1320´s in Germany so I'm not sure my first source was correct. So the figures with visors are acceptable unless some other information says otherwise.

Correct...visors are acceptable ;-)

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bascinet
Any other bits of armour you´re not sure about (when it came into use/fashion-went out of use/Fashion..although earlier types could be used later and some Dates aren´t 100% fixed to the date of introduction) look here:
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Componen ... val_armour
And for contemporary cross checks (taking the artists Knowledge or lack of into account )
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/
For example on the Tags...Visors
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4194/10229/

Basically..the list that Carlos put up will just about cover it.
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