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Just how big are elephants?

Posted by Ochoin on 25 Jan 2021, 14:11

The wildlife in Australia is plentiful & exotic but does not run to elephants.

My 2021 project is the army of Pyrrhus (in 1/72). I'm assembling an army based on HaT & Newline figures (mostly). I'm looking at war elephants.

The Hat ones:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=573
These seem very small.

The Zvesda ones:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=349
These seem very large.

The Newline ones:
https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product-ca ... cedonians/
These seem hard to tell.

I have the two plastic ones......any comments on which of the three are the right size?

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Posted by sberry on 25 Jan 2021, 15:26

Yeah, elephant size in 1/72 scenarios is an old problem for which I also have no perfect answer/solution. But let's try:
The Zvezda ones are in fact really big; I suppose they are meant to represent Indian elephants.
The ones made by HäT are dwarves in comparison. But they represent Carthaginian war elephants, and there is some speculation that Carthage might have used the African forest elephant, which is quite small compared to the other species in Africa, the African bush elephant, or their Indian cousin.
I have to admit that I do not know where Pyrrhus got his beasts from...
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Posted by Konrad on 25 Jan 2021, 16:15

How about this one?
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Posted by Wiking on 25 Jan 2021, 17:48

I think so an elephant is quite big.

Call him Ferdinand.

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Posted by Ochoin on 25 Jan 2021, 21:06

Wiking wrote:I think so an elephant is quite big.

Call him Ferdinand.

:mrgreen:

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What a ridiculous beast! The size of his trunk is outrageous!! And he has no ears!!!

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Posted by Emperor on 25 Jan 2021, 23:17

Elephant is an great animal...I once gave peanut to one in Zoo back in school...
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Posted by Pocho Azul on 26 Jan 2021, 03:11

My impression is that no-one really knows what species of elephant Pyrrhic armies used, or how exactly how big they really were. I recommend you get the ones that look the coolest.
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Posted by sberry on 26 Jan 2021, 08:38

Pocho Azul wrote:I recommend you get the ones that look the coolest.

I suppose that's the best advice that is possible on this topic.
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Posted by Emperor on 26 Jan 2021, 09:44

Interesting the African elephant has his ears in shape of African continet, and an Indian elephant has his ears in shape of Indian sub/continent...
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Posted by Ochoin on 26 Jan 2021, 10:27

Emperor wrote:Interesting the African elephant has his ears in shape of African continet, and an Indian elephant has his ears in shape of Indian sub/continent...


Finland looks like a rabbit.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Finland

(I was told this by a Finn).

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Posted by Ochoin on 26 Jan 2021, 10:30

sberry wrote:I suppose that's the best advice that is possible on this topic.


Zvesda it is, then.

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Posted by Emperor on 26 Jan 2021, 11:06

If there is no infos like frescos or something from that time, you can do it as you wish...
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Posted by sberry on 26 Jan 2021, 11:12

Have you ever considered to use the set HäT 8142 Indian Elephant? They come without towers, but are comparable to the Zvezda ones in size and give some more variation.
I have used them in 2011 for an Asculum scenario, using the towers from the smaller HäT Carthaginian ones for some conversions:

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Posted by Beano Boy on 26 Jan 2021, 13:01

Reminded me of,' heffalumps and woozles.' :coffee: BB
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Posted by Santi Pérez on 28 Jan 2021, 20:46

Wow, what a fantastic diorama that of the Asculum scenario, sberry! :drool: :drool: :drool:

I love specially two details. The Roman legionary caught by the elephant's trunk:

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And the two-story wagon:

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Posted by Wiking on 30 Jan 2021, 17:08

Ochion wrote:
And he has no ears!!!

Oh, My mistake. A discussion about Elephants WITH ears.

Now, here is my second try:

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Posted by Ochoin on 30 Jan 2021, 19:21

Thank you for kindly supplying the photo.

I have found that there is a variety of elephant-sizes possible. These are a result of age, species but also individual differences.

Like us, elephants come in a range: big & small & the differences can be quite siginificant. Even several feet of difference.

eg The biggest Indian elephant known: "Raja Gaj stood 3.43 m (11.3 ft) tall at the shoulder and had a massive body weight. His forehead and domes were more prominent than in other Asian bull elephants. His appearance has been compared to that of a Stegodon and mammoth due to his high bi-domed shaped head." African Bush elephants reach an average of 3.2 metres.

The model you show seems to be a smallish Indian one: a bit over 2 metres tall?

So, I'm not going to get hung up by differences in models. Zvesda it is!

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Posted by Wiking on 01 Feb 2021, 17:19

Ochion wrote:
The model you show seems to be a smallish Indian one: a bit over 2 metres tall?

Puh! well observed !
It is from CMK and for the (RAF) Indian theater.
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Posted by carlosfaro on 16 Feb 2021, 14:12

Interesting biological-zoological-hidtoricsl-geografical discussion.

I would say Phyrrus had Asian ellies supplied though Seleucid empire. But maybe not, and they came from tolemaic egypt and were small North African versión..

Lets us bring some archeological pics just for more fun..

This articule about coins is great (you Will find Lots of Ancient Kings or generales and their different probable elephants), and there is even some evidence about Phirrus Asian ellies un some ingots.

Source: https://coinweek.com/ancient-coins/elep ... ent-coins/

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