1/72nd Company

[Fenton]

Hi guys, found this site doing 1/72 metal figs, Its mostly WW2 but there are some interesting figs on it for those that like doing dioramas..German Field Kitchens etc

http://www.sgtsmess.co.uk/

[Dad's Army]

like the WW2 stuf

[Peter]

Nice figures, but not 1/72 figures. 20 mm figures they say.

Never the less a good find Fenton

Greetings Peter

[Fenton]

Interestingly their advert in a wargames mag where I found the info said they were 1/72

[T. Dürrschmidt]

Nice figures, but not 1/72 figures. 20 mm figures they say.

Never the less a good find Fenton

Greetings Peter

Look at their homepage..(beneath the photo)...All of our figures are 20mm (1:72nd) scale made from white metal.

It is the usual confusion about the scale. Some say 20mm scale is 1/72, some say 1/76.....for some 25mm is 1/72 and so on.

Compare different brands...all 1/72 with huge differents in size....look for example at Zvezdas and Orions Janissaries. Or Revells and Zvezdas 30YW Infantry.

[je_touche]

OMG. That discussion again. If it is WWII, just take one piece of equipment, say a rifle. Find out what the actual dimensions were, such as overall length. Divide by 72, there you get the scale length of the rifle in 1/72nd scale.

PLEASE DO stop talking of '20 mm' or '25 mm' figures. Because - some people mean overall hight, some measure to eyes height. By 20 mm some people mean 1/72, some 1/76 scale. By 25 mm some mean 1/72 too, some actually mean that indefinable wargaming scale (roundabout 1/60) used by the Perries, by GW and many others and generally called '28 mm'. Thus confusion is complete. PLEASE DO stick to scale denominations.

Sorry for sounding didactic and obnoxious. But I read this discussion again and again, on different forums, size is being discussed over and over. Figures are either 'in scale', oversized or undersized, depending on the dimensions of the equipment, not primarily on figure size. If you want to find out if figures of different manufactures go together you have to compare their proportions, not just figure heights. See e.g. my post under 'Zvezda - Austrian Musketeers and Pikemen'.

[Susofrick]

I can only agree with je_touche! Humans come in all sizes! Me being 1.72 is pretty perfect for a forum like this (or smaller) .

[ONIRIA]

Hi all

Those figures are form the former TQD line. These figures are modelled by Tony Boustead, who has also modelled (between others) for MILLICAST, ELHIEM, FCSM, and now models for Martello International.
IMHO they are one of the best, 1/72 or 20mm (or how ever you want to call them) figures. They are clean, expressive, lifelike and have fantastic faces (the best odf the scale/size in most cases). The only downside, (as another member pointed out) is that the weapons are a bit chunky for the scale/size. Being this true, I don’t think that is really a problem because the overall look is good. See for yourselves

SALUDETES

About 80% of the figures I used in this dio are TQD:


A TQD figure


Face close up
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[je_touche]

Oniria, don't you often exchange heads to make figurines fit?

IMO the heads decide if figures look 'in scale' or not. If heads are more or less of the same size proportions can vary quite a lot and the figures will still look okay.

[Maurice]

The average male human is 175cm or 1750mm, which makes him:

- about 28mm in scale 1:62,5
- about 25mm in scale 1:70
- about 24mm in scale 1:72
- about 23mm in scale 1:76 (0 gauge)
- about 20mm in scale 1:87 (h0 gauge)
- about 15mm in scale 1:117
- about 11mm in scale 1:160 (N gauge)
- about 8mm in scale 1:220 (Z gauge)
- about 6mm in scale 1:292

Oh yeah, nice figures

[je_touche]

The average male human is 175cm or 1750mm, which makes him:

- about 28mm in scale 1:62,5
- about 25mm in scale 1:70
- about 24mm in scale 1:72
- about 23mm in scale 1:76 (0 gauge)
- about 20mm in scale 1:87 (h0 gauge)
- about 15mm in scale 1:117
- about 11mm in scale 1:160 (N gauge)
- about 8mm in scale 1:220 (Z gauge)
- about 6mm in scale 1:292

That does not help much. Scale is not about an average male human but about proportions. A 15 mm figure with a fairly large head (1/6 of the body length) can still represent a rather smallish man of much under 175 cm, so the scale would be rather 1:100 or so than 1/117. Moreover, as I said figures are often measured to eyes height, and most figures named '15 mm' have an overall height of 17-18 mm, which makes them 1/100. This is why I say let's talk scales rather than mms, let figure heights vary but make heads the same size within a particular scale.

[Maurice]

That does not help much.

That's ok, maybe some of the others on this forum will find it useful

[Wheeling Turn]

ok 20mm is a often used verb for 1/72 or 1/76 when the talk comes from wargamers ( i am one). I perfektly agree that not all people are the same and have different hights weights and so on. For the thing that counts is simply if they fit my collection. nothing else.

[Peter]

It was not my intention to start a discussion about the scale of figures. But when I see figures size 20 mm and scale 1/72, I have the normal reaction doing this; 0.02 m x 72= 1.44 m. So what Maurice writes makes sence to me.
Je_touche I also understand what you mean of the size of the heads, but I think 1.44 m is not the normal length of a human being at that time! Right size of the head or not.
So I made my point here, and I will not go in further discussion about this.

Greetings Peter

[je_touche]

Je_touche I also understand what you mean of the size of the heads, but I think 1.44 m is not the normal length of a human being at that time! Right size of the head or not.

I think you misunderstood me. What I meant is, '20 mm' is very often used as a denomination for 1/72. I did not maintain that an adult male figure of that size is actually 1/72 scale. I also pointed out that sizes are sometimes measured 'up to eyes'. So a 20 mm figure can actually be 22 mm tall, which would make it 1,584 m in 1/72, still very small. Sometimes 20 mm - such as 25 mm - is obviously only meant as 'something larger than 15 mm and smaller than 28 mm'. So all these denominations are rather hazy. That's why I referred to the length of a rifle because the size of standardized equipment is the only element of a figure that gives a precize definition of scale.

I understand I better leave that size vs scale question alone. People tend to be a bit touchy as it comes to that, some like me are 'scale aware' while others don't care about scale. I try to make my own figures in a precize 1/72 scale (reg standardized equipment such as a French infantry musket m. 1777), with sizes varying between 22,5-25 mm for an adult man - but proportions modelled in a way that 23 mm means 'short man' and 25 mm 'tall man'. Head sizes are nearly the same in both cases, that's what makes the proportions differ between short and tall.

[Chasseur]

Those figs are incredible.... I wish I could buy these in Canada.... they are fine, and the painting is first rate!

[Paul]

ok 20mm is a often used verb for 1/72 or 1/76 when the talk comes from wargamers ( i am one). I perfektly agree that not all people are the same and have different hights weights and so on. For the thing that counts is simply if they fit my collection. nothing else.

Agreed Some of the bods marketed under the 1/72 scale when placed next to each other, in order to get a bit of variety in a wargames army, just don´t fit at all, not just height but stature. It can be annoying sometimes