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Hittite Army

Posted by Ochoin on 08 Apr 2017, 04:27

As I mentioned in a previous thread, I've acquired a four boxes of Caesar Hittites.

Without getting too technical, I'd like to build an 800+ point Field of Glory army to oppose my existing Mycenaean & NKE armies. So what figures can I add as allies & mercenaries to make up the numbers?

AFAIK: everything will need to be Caesar figures?

The Hittite boxes I have will supply a heavy chariot unit, some defensive spearmen, javelin armed skirmishers, a few bowmen & an armoured Royal Guard (heavy infantry spearmen): not enough units.

I have a Mitannian Light chariot unit already painted & some Sea Peoples who can be allies.
The Caesar Bedouin sets are a possibility as mercenaries? If so, I can add a camel unit, javelinmen & archers & a medium infantry spear unit.

Comments & suggestions are invited.

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Posted by Tantallon2 on 08 Apr 2017, 09:18

Don't forget there is Newline's Biblical 20mm figures
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Posted by Ochoin on 08 Apr 2017, 12:37

My NKE army (about 1200 points) has quite a few Newline figures & my Mycenaean force (850) is mostly Newline.
I'll certainly look to Newline to plug any gaps but I am trying to make this army, as far as possible, a budget one!

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Posted by Tantallon2 on 08 Apr 2017, 15:08

Wait for the summer sale then!

All the best
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Posted by FredG on 08 Apr 2017, 16:02

If you're wanting large numbers why not have a word with Sean ( Newline) to see what he can do?
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Posted by Ochoin on 08 Apr 2017, 23:48

Tantallon2 wrote:Wait for the summer sale then!

All the best
Dougie


"If you're wanting large numbers why not have a word with Sean ( Newline) to see what he can do?"

Is this the old bias against plastic figures creeping back? :-D

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Posted by FredG on 09 Apr 2017, 07:57

No, it's someone volunteering a possible solution to a question you've posed
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Posted by Ochoin on 09 Apr 2017, 09:37

FredG wrote:No, it's someone volunteering a possible solution to a question you've posed


And I appreciate it (in spite of my attempt at wry humour: apologies) :oops:


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Posted by Mr. Cryns on 09 Apr 2017, 10:33

Ochoin wrote:what figures can I add as allies & mercenaries to make up the numbers?


Dear Ochion,

Most ancient army lists show both what enemies and what mercenaries are historic possibilities.
In case you have no such army list books in your home library I can copy the Hittite pages in my books for you and post them here.
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Posted by Ochoin on 09 Apr 2017, 11:25

If it would be no trouble.

The problem is suitable figures. A nice Italian chap suggested Kaskians using Orion Scythian infantry. I did some research but as far as I can tell, the Kaskians looked nothing like Scythians.

Your list may have something workable I've overlooked (would that Caesar would release Babylonians)

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Posted by Mr. Cryns on 09 Apr 2017, 12:41

Ochoin wrote:If it would be no trouble.


No, thats what we are here for :-D
Did you consider the Caesar Hebrew Warriors?
A close neighbor of the Hittites, the set has a wide variety of dressing styles.

I found at least 8 different Hittite army lists for WRG and DBA compiled between 1980 and 2000.
Some of the writers distinguish 3 different periods:

Hittite old and middle Kingdom 1680-1380 BC
Hittite Empire 1380 - 1180 BC
Neo Hittite and later Aramaean 1100 - 710 BC

Let me know what your period of focus is, because otherwise it will be a huge load of information to upload here.

Or do you just like to hear the names of their allies, auxiliaries and vassal states?
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Posted by Ochoin on 09 Apr 2017, 13:53

I think Empire. That allows for my NKE & Mycenaeans to be used as opponents. And for the Sea Peoples to be used as allies or enemies. I'd really love some Canaanite-Syrians but Caesar started....& stopped....with their Mitanni chariot set.

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Posted by Mr. Cryns on 10 Apr 2017, 13:17

I hope the resolution of these scans is good enough to read:

It is worth noticing the Syrian vassal troops of the Hittites include Canaanites, Phoenicians, Mitanni, Retennu, Ugarits and Khaaru.

From DBM Phil Barker and richard Bodley Scott 2000:
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WRG Phil Barker 1981:
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WRG M.Holland and C.Froud 1991:
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WRG D. Hutchby and S. Clark 1984:
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If you need any explaination to the codes, just let me know.

Now the question is: what did all those Syrians, Anatolians, Hurrians, Mitanni, mountaintribes and bedoeins look like? :eh:

Though a 28mm metals range, the Hittite range by Hail Caesar gives a good impression and wide variety of costumes and equipments.:
https://us-store.warlordgames.com/colle ... ite-empire

If you are willing to swop some heads and shields from plastic figure sets
then there must be plenty of possibilies. :-D
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Posted by Ochoin on 10 Apr 2017, 13:32

I can't thank you enough for these lists. You certainly went to a lot of trouble & I appreciate it.
I have much to think about & research....
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Posted by Xantippos on 11 Aug 2017, 20:17

You could maybe use Trojans from Caesar and Atlantic, and make them pass as some anatolic subjects. If you buy the African Infantry from Hat, there is a few poses that could be used as any Syrian standard subject. The Scythians from Orion could look like some anatolian hilltribe, a lot of them are very standard with square shields and just a phrygian cap. Or maybe persians from Caesar, some of them are very like elamites or similar people.

Of course, you would be buying a lot of sets for just 2 or 3 usable poses.
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