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Hittite chariots

Posted by Ochoin on 02 Apr 2017, 04:03

A question.

I'm going to add a Hittite force to my Bronze Age wargaming & have acquired some Caesar boxes.

The chariots have this odd circle on their sides (see raised disc in the PSR scan, below):
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1048

What is it? As I'll need to paint it, I have to know.

Thanks, donald
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Posted by Wiking on 02 Apr 2017, 07:45

That`s the horn. :affraid:

Good question.
I think only the sculptor of Cäsar know it.
It do not look like an ejector pin.

Maybe it was planned to fix (glue, snap) an quiver or a shield.
Or if it is at both side it is the strong point for a bar to connect both side.
As a handrail. If they run over bumps or enemy.
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Posted by FredG on 02 Apr 2017, 08:41

A few illustrations show a circle on the sides.

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Posted by Ochoin on 02 Apr 2017, 08:46

Thanks, Fred. Great illustrations.
Still, *what* is the disc?

donald
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Posted by Roland_Kupski on 02 Apr 2017, 09:16

May be this a bronze pegs wether to fit quivers or to stabiles the box of the chariot. Have a look how I painted them:
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the hetitites used Iron - but it was expensive. So I decided onyl some weapons to paint as iron. Today I would use more iron, especially for the wheels.

A instructiv reading:
http://www.mas.bg.ac.rs/_media/istrazivanje/fme/vol44/3/2_tghondros_et_al.pdf

this is an example of my "old" painting style using water colours (Gouache). Long ago......
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Posted by PhilC on 02 Apr 2017, 10:17

Hi Ochoin, that is a good question, unfortunately I haven't any clue, but I am interested in the answer as well :)

FredG: I didn't know the last illustration you show us (painted by G.Rava, at least it is easy to identify the painter), it has been made for a book ?

Roland, it is always a pleasure to see pictures of your marvelous chariots (that I know for years :)). You are one of the artists whose work convinced me to start painting minis again - thank you for that. And yes I agree, more iron for the weapons.
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Posted by FredG on 02 Apr 2017, 10:20

Ochoin wrote:Thanks, Fred. Great illustrations.
Still, *what* is the disc?
donald


The three colour illustrations show it as a brass/gold colour so I'd say that'll do for the painting.

What is it? It's a brass/gold coloured circular disc thingy that goes on the side of a Hittite chariot :eh:

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Posted by Paul on 02 Apr 2017, 11:21

Ochoin wrote:Still, *what* is the disc?
donald

Hittites worshipped the sun ..so possibly a Basic/simple sun Symbol (?)
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Posted by Ochoin on 02 Apr 2017, 12:04

Hmmm. I think I'll go with a bright bronze then & put it down as the Bronze Age version of the chrome trim you find on motor cars today.

Thanks for the help, gents!


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Posted by Beano Boy on 02 Apr 2017, 12:29

I thought a copper M O T ! Or Perhaps their own riders id ? BB
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Posted by PhilC on 02 Apr 2017, 12:29

And don't forget to post pictures of the result !! I can hardly wait, I need models for mine :)
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Posted by Beano Boy on 02 Apr 2017, 12:58

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Posted by PhilC on 02 Apr 2017, 13:35

BB, I recognize your beard, you're the driver :D
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Posted by Dad's Army on 02 Apr 2017, 13:44

PhilC wrote:BB, I recognize your beard, you're the driver :D

I tought he was the donkey :mrgreen:
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Posted by Roland_Kupski on 02 Apr 2017, 14:20

I am deeply shocked. Nobody is interested in serious research, always fooling around. We Are not collecting for fun! The "whatthehellisthisathingfor" question is moving brains and hearts. Stay ernest! You can make jokes Monday morning at work.
The thing is an extraterrestrial artefakt, nothing else.
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Posted by Ochoin on 02 Apr 2017, 14:35

PhilC wrote:And don't forget to post pictures of the result !! I can hardly wait, I need models for mine :)


I'm still monkeying around with the Mahdist Wars* but I should start soon.
I'll grind out 4 heavy Hittite chariots for a Battle Group (unit) & then start on the Hittite infantry.

donald


* not trying to bring politics into this but although I like the figures & the game, the whole thing is a bit disconcertingly like ISIS.
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Posted by Ochoin on 02 Apr 2017, 14:37

Roland_Kupski wrote:I am deeply shocked. Nobody is interested in serious research, always fooling around. We Are not collecting for fun! The "whatthehellisthisathingfor" question is moving brains and hearts. Stay ernest! You can make jokes Monday morning at work.
The thing is an extraterrestrial artefakt, nothing else.


It *is* intriguing.

Caesar normally do their research so I'm not surprised to see the disc on NKE wall paintings.
We may never know what the darn thing was though.

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Posted by FredG on 02 Apr 2017, 14:38

Ochoin wrote:* not trying to bring politics into this but although I like the figures & the game, the whole thing is a bit disconcertingly like ISIS.


Don't worry Donald, that's not politics, it's religion :shock: :eh: :(
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Posted by Roland_Kupski on 02 Apr 2017, 14:55

I supposed it was a kind of fixing-point for quivers. This was my idea when painting them formerly. You can see quivers at most of the hittite stones. Here a picture of a reconstruction:
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Posted by Ochoin on 02 Apr 2017, 15:39

The "opposition":
my Atlantic conversions for the NKE.

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