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Height of Spanish tower windmills ?

Posted by Fredericus-Rex on 03 Mar 2017, 06:38

Hello,
can anyone help me, I am looking for the height and the diameter of a Spanish windmill.

Like this:

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Thanks

Picture from the site: http://www.toeff-magazin.ch/reisen/im-f ... a-992.html
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Posted by Mário on 03 Mar 2017, 17:59

Hello
Easy, the door is about 2,10m. Just measure on the photo and do the conversion.
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Posted by Edwardian on 06 Mar 2017, 20:25

Tilting height, presumably?
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Posted by Marvin on 06 Mar 2017, 20:41

Edwardian wrote:Tilting height, presumably?


Which begs the question - "How high is the armpit of a Spanish nobleman on horseback?"
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Posted by FredG on 06 Mar 2017, 20:54

Marvin wrote:
Which begs the question - "How high is the armpit of a Spanish nobleman on horseback?"


That would depend if he used deodorant or not
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Posted by Mr. Cryns on 07 Mar 2017, 17:50

Don't know if I am too late to support you in this, but hey, the subject interests me.

My first thought was 2.1 meters for a door height, as was suggested by Mario, is much too high for an average 1.6 meter high Spanish male from the past.
But several pictures I found show Mario must be right:

Compared to these ladies from the 1970's the door looks giant:

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Even compared to modern tourists its still high:

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The door size must be based upon the height of a packed mule walking head-up, and not on a human size.

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Guessing the door height is 2.1 meters, the measurements must come to:
cross section 6.5 to 7 meters.
Height of the walls 7,5 to 9 meters with some 3 meters extra for the pointed roof.
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Posted by Marvin on 07 Mar 2017, 20:06

Mr. Cryns wrote:Image


Can I just say - the name above the door says Rocinante, which is the name of Don Quixote's horse.

Coincidental? I think not. ;-)
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Posted by Fredericus-Rex on 08 Mar 2017, 16:43

Hello,
thanks for your help, now I can start with the mill :-)
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Posted by FredG on 08 Mar 2017, 20:47

Marvin wrote:
Can I just say - the name above the door says Rocinante, which is the name of Don Quixote's horse.

Coincidental? I think not. ;-)


That's all very good but what brand of deodorant was it? :eh:
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Posted by Peter on 08 Mar 2017, 22:22

You know that this kind of mill allready exist in 1/72?

Have a look here:

http://westgaragemodels.blogspot.be/p/l ... -list.html

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João is member of this forum to. ;-)
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Posted by Fredericus-Rex on 09 Mar 2017, 10:01

Hello Peter,
thanks for your information, but that is not our quality and what we want.
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Posted by FredG on 09 Mar 2017, 11:20

Fredericus-Rex wrote:....but that is not our quality and what we want.


Now that is good to read. :yeah:
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Posted by Mr. Cryns on 09 Mar 2017, 11:54

Peter wrote: this kind of mill allready exist in 1/72?

Thanks for sharing this information, Peter, I appreciate that a lot, its always very interesting to compare different products sharing the same subject.
But I think thats representing a typical Portuguese windmill, like this one:

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I also found this, for 25mm Hinchliffe Peninsula gaming:
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This man called Dick Tennant lived close to my house in my childhood village and I visited his wargame room where he showed me this model back in 1985.

Fredericus-Rex wrote: that is not our quality

This makes it only more interesting. I look forward to see the result.

Marvin wrote:the name above the door says Rocinante, which is the name of Don Quixote's horse. Coincidental? I think not.


No, no coincident I think, the image Fredericus Rex showed us is from the La Mancha windmills, build close to a medieval castle. The chapter of the story of Don Quixote must be inspired by these. Already in Franco's time these windmills got names referring to the story to attract tourists. There is more 'touristic stuff' around:
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Very important is the choice for mills with only four blades (like in central europe) because these represent the four moving arms of the Giants that have to be conquered.

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That is probably why Fredericus Rex does not choose the more typical 6...

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...or 8 armed windmill...

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which would represent something more like an octopus to fight against. :shock:

Fredericus-Rex wrote:what we want.

Is what you want a typical Don Quixote windmill?
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Posted by entrauner on 09 Mar 2017, 22:46

I bought this kit, just to have a basic idea......its in 1:125 scale and the model will come to about 22cm- without the wings

http://www.hobbiesguinea.es/es/aedes-ar ... -sxvi.html
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Posted by Beano Boy on 10 Mar 2017, 02:51

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There seems to be no health and safety in Spain. I wonder how many heads are split wide opened each year? BB
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Posted by Beano Boy on 11 Mar 2017, 06:05

Yes,like our fellowmember Mario,I used the door to sum up the height of the real Windmills that I had been looking at to determine their height.
As I looked at real Windmills, this does not compare to the toy ones available at present because they might have been scaled down to please the eye of the potential buyer.

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I can well remember when I begain to design plans for my Post Mill a million light years ago, that 18 men could stand upon one sail,so that was my guide I used using 1/72 scale toy solddiers to determine my measurements, as dear me there were no plans available then that I could find in books. That was way before having an Internet connection. BB
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Posted by Fredericus-Rex on 11 Mar 2017, 09:42

The roof of the mill?
I found a lot of illustration with different roofs for a spanish mill.

Thatched roof
Roof shingles
Lead roof

I think in the medieval the roofs will be with a thached or with roof shingels.
What is your opinion??

A picture of our: Windmill 15.-19 Century, 1:72
https://www.fredericus-rex.eu/en/Scale- ... -1-72.html

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Posted by Mr. Cryns on 14 Mar 2017, 12:33

I think in the medieval the roofs will be with a thached or with roof shingels.

I do not believe these tower windmills are medieval
Influenced by the Netherlands windmills, the Spanish brought the technique over to Spain during the mid 16 century. The Don Quixote story is set around 1600.

I found a lot of illustration with different roofs for a spanish mill.
Thatched roof
Roof shingles
Lead roof

I think wooden shingles (planking) were the traditional covering of the roof.
Different reconstructions underline this:

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This much smaller towermill shows such a roof too:
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This one shows the construction very well but has 4 rows of planking in stead of the common 3:
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I could find no proper image of thatched roof.
Zinc, copper and lead is too expensive for the 16th century and all of these metal roofs visible on pictures must represent modern reconstructions.

Beware of the fact some modern roofs can be metal imitations of wooden planking shingle roofs.

I am sorry to tell you we must re-consider the height of the door and the windmills again:

https://www.tripadvisor.nl/ShowUserRevi ... 1&filter=2

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I believe only few doors were 2.1 meters, most must be smaller like 1.8m
and so most mills were smaller: 6m height and 5m diameter will be common.
So the one you are building now is one of the largest of Consuegra.
There were 13 windmills at Consuegra of which 12 are reconstructed.

Here we can see a traditional structure of the wall:
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And a suggestion for the sails:

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Here is some more information about the windmills of Consuegra.


http://circuloculturalconsaburense.blog ... linos.html

https://100falcons.wordpress.com/2014/0 ... il-giants/

http://www.spain.info/en/que-quieres/ar ... linos.html
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