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Russian ZIS3 AT-Gun vs German PAK40

Please choose the best painted:

Poll ended at 03 Aug 2009, 11:54

German PAK40
6
32%
Russian ZIS3 AT-Gun
13
68%
 
Total votes : 19

Posted by Adam on 27 Jul 2009, 11:54

The 6th duel and another great one

This is an artillery duel, an Italeri PAK40 vs a Russian ZIS3 both with crewmen and basing.

You have a week to choose your winner. Once again gentlemen take your places and may the best painter win.
Please leave comments until after the duel has finished


German PAK40
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Posted by Adam on 04 Aug 2009, 10:47

Thanks again to both contenders, Maurice with the German gun, and Thomas with the Russian. Both exceptionally nice pieces of work, and once again congratulations to Thomas. :thumbup: Keep it up guys.
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Posted by Maurice on 04 Aug 2009, 10:58

Congrats Thomas, a great victory for the Red Army, despite the tiny pics :)

Together just 19 votes is rather disappointing though...
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Posted by T. Dürrschmidt on 04 Aug 2009, 11:26

You are right. I tested more small pics this time. Because I showed my Fridericus Rex much too big. Perhaps they were too small.

Congratulations to you maurice. Very nice work aswell.

Regards Thomas
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Posted by je_touche on 04 Aug 2009, 12:22

Congrats to both, I like artillery subjects.

IMO both entries have their pros and cons. Maybe Thomas's pics are a bit on the small side but his use of sunlight and shadows and the backdrop is ingenious. I also like the bird's eye view showing the spent shell cases.

On the other hand, the detail on Maurice's figurines and gun can be better appriciated, and the camouflage pattern is pretty intricate. The train model firs he used for his vignette are a real let-down for me. They just don't look realistic. It's hard to make a good looking model tree, especially a fir tree.

But well, this was about painting, not about model building. So both are winners for me. :thumbup:
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Posted by ColeF on 04 Aug 2009, 13:07

Very nice work on both sides. ;-) :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Posted by Maurice on 04 Aug 2009, 15:00

Yeah those trees, I know... :?

I wasn't in the mood to make firs from scratch, something I've done only once before so I went for the cheap solution. Of course there are better looking model trees, but then you'll pay like 10 euros a tree and that's a bit over the top.
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Posted by Paul on 04 Aug 2009, 16:21

Maurice wrote:Congrats Thomas, a great victory for the Red Army, despite the tiny pics :)

Together just 19 votes is rather disappointing though...


Both are good and yes maurice 19 votes is a bit disappointing considering how many of us are active at the moment (on the forum that is :-) )
The fir trees let down an otherwise nice set up. Where did the ferns come from?
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Posted by Maurice on 04 Aug 2009, 21:58

The ferns are from Busch and are actually in scale 1/87 (h0). You get a couple of sprues with fernleafs and mushrooms.
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Posted by nybot on 06 Aug 2009, 09:24

These are both excellent but again I missed the duel. I presume this is something that happens to others as well.

These figures deserved a lot more attention then they got but if you are lazy like me and primarily use the most recently updated list to view topics and threads you can easily miss the addition of new Duels and even on occasion Competitions. Especially when the forum is busy and lost of people are adding new threads.

Maybe the administrators could "bump" the threads if there is a slow response to a duel/competition to help bring it to our attention. Just a suggestion.

Sorry to the Duelists for missing this as you both deserved my attention before now.

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Posted by Adam on 06 Aug 2009, 09:36

yeah, at the moment they are sticky threads, but feasibly I could try and bump it every couple of days by a useless edit? that should keep it orange.

One evening when one of you is in the chat room, I might get you to try it with me and see how it works! :-D
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Posted by Peter on 06 Aug 2009, 13:37

Couldn't vote on this duel, but I like them both! :thumbup: And very good groundwork of both!

@Thomas, you've told us in an other topic, that you use woodfiller, sand and dark paint for your groundwork. But how much of each you use in that mix?

Greetings Peter
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Posted by Michel on 07 Aug 2009, 06:07

...there´s no ultimate Mixing proportion! It should be only firm!
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Posted by T. Dürrschmidt on 07 Aug 2009, 06:43

Peter wrote:Couldn't vote on this duel, but I like them both! :thumbup: And very good groundwork of both!

@Thomas, you've told us in an other topic, that you use woodfiller, sand and dark paint for your groundwork. But how much of each you use in that mix?

Greetings Peter



As Michael already said....there is no standard mix. But say...6 parts wood filler, 2 parts sand, half part colour....something like that.
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Posted by Peter on 07 Aug 2009, 12:13

Thank you Michel and Thomas :thumbup: I'll give it a try!

Greetings Peter
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Posted by Fabien G on 11 Apr 2010, 17:09

Had I been able to vote (too late), I would have gone for the russians, the images are so great.

But it's just about the painting, so... I'm not a good judge on this one. Because there is so much difference cimong from the photography in itself. One is flat plain diorama presentation, whereas the second one... Is is taken outside in broad end of the day light with a far field in the background? The lights and colours and focus makes it really look real! It looks really great to me.

But weel done to both of you.
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Posted by Richard L. on 11 Apr 2010, 17:57

Wonderful work on the two. Inspiring painting and ground work so congratulations to both.

One note though is that the Italeri Pak 40 has some basic accuracy issues regarding the position of its wheels and undercarriage. One needs to bring the wheels in closer to make a passable representation. I did that with my and it made a considerable improvement to the look.

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Posted by T. Dürrschmidt on 11 Apr 2010, 19:56

Hello Fabien and Richard,

thank you for the comments on these "older" works from Maurice and me.

For the ZIS-3..yes...this is the usual way I do pictures....Outside in the sunlight with real fields and forest as background. ( very well known by "older" members ;-) ). I live in the country. So many backgrounds with lots of different shades and moods (depending on weather and season) are available 8)

This time the pics were quite small.

Best regards

Thomas
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Posted by luchs on 12 Apr 2010, 18:07

both are very nice work..
but there the same mistake..
the loaders are just back the piece..
this weapons recoil burtally nad the loader must ever on side the gun nont back.. :-D
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Posted by Maurice on 12 Apr 2010, 18:17

Maybe they take a sidestep just before the gun fires? ;-) :mrgreen:
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