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Quatre Bras 16th June 1815

Posted by C M Dodson on 13 Sep 2017, 20:59

Hello forumers.

I have commenced the construction of the buildings for Quatre Bras.

The research is driving me, the Feldmarschall and my good friend Thomas Mischak bonkers as so much information is contradictory, even the pictures painted at the time!

Whilst scale considerations and the above mean the constructions will not be one hundred per cent accurate I hope to get the feel of them. If a citizen from 1815 were to say, ' that looks familiar' I will be very pleased.

First up Gemincourt. Jac Wellers 'Wellington at Waterloo' from 1967 shows another barn in front of the farm and the Belgian Army map of October 1815 confirms this.

The gate should stand proud of the walls, but is currently propping them up.

I will paint the buildings white wash with a blue gray roof as the evidence to date suggests that this was the colour scheme on the 16th.


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Happy modelling.

Chris
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Posted by C M Dodson on 14 Sep 2017, 04:16

Next on the list the farm at Quatre Bras unfortunately, recently demolished.

There are many contemporary views of the farm but I like these two especially. Many thanks to Thomas Mischak for finding the 20th June 1815 picture. Notice the barn is painted a biscuit colour when most others are whitewash!

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Lots of bracing to make the models strong. The gateway is a bit weird and the pre demolition pictures do not seem to reflect the 1815 pictures at all. These farms were very big and effectively secured areas. The Belgian Army survey of October 1825 suggests that there was no barn to complete the triangle. I am not sure about this and any information would be most useful.

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Happy modelling.

Chris
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Posted by C M Dodson on 14 Sep 2017, 18:56

Hi Graham.

You are a superstar par excellence!

I have seen the Mudford pictures and Thomas provided the one shown, but these are fantastic.

I do not know why my internet trawling a have not dug these up but they are just what the doctor ordered.

To get a different angle is very useful indeed and the crossroads itself. Brilliant.

Next up, an Alehouse, I owe you a drink at its bar.

Thank you again.

Ps. Although I am getting enthused about my new project much to the Feldmarschalls frustration. ' why do you not finish one thing before starting another'? I still have the closing of Ligny on my mind and intend to do the final moves shortly.

Right, where is my drawing board.

Chris
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Posted by thomaspicton on 15 Sep 2017, 08:09

Great to see this project coming along - it's a fascinating battle and much more mobile than Waterloo.
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Posted by Kostis Ornerakis on 15 Sep 2017, 09:04

Wonderful work so far! :thumbup: :-D
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Posted by FredG on 15 Sep 2017, 11:30

C M Dodson wrote:................... much to the Feldmarschalls frustration. ' why do you not finish one thing before starting another'? ..............


I think most of us will be subject to the other half's derision at some/all stage/s of this hobby.

To use your own expression Chris.

Bonkerishness rules!
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Posted by C M Dodson on 15 Sep 2017, 14:09

Many thanks again to Thomas and Graham for their wonderful pictures that take you right back in time. I will use these pictures for the colour schemes as they were painted four days after the battle. How fantastic is that?

My wonderful wife suggested printing the prints out and sticking them together and now I have a panorama. Brilliant!

The buildings need tidying up and the wall needs finishing but I am pleased with the Quatre Bras farm. Many thanks to Wolfgang Meyer for the gates he gave me a few years ago. I think that they look splendid with the hinges.

Do not worry Mr. Fred, she is always right ( it helps) and is very supportive of my efforts with plenty of good ideas and advice.

Next up a pub as I need to get the beers in for Thomas and Graham.

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Happy modelling,

Chris
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Posted by C M Dodson on 17 Sep 2017, 16:34

Further to the excellent pictures from Graham I have redesigned the farm de la Bergerie which was originally based on Andrew Fields picture from his book, Quatre Bras the French perspective and Google Earth.

The model will require repainting in brick etc, as per Thomas Stoney's paintings.

I have improved on the door hinges by using chopped up copper wire which is then glued in position.

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Happy modelling.

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Posted by Beano Boy on 17 Sep 2017, 21:30

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The site of the picture below.

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Pictures are still on Google Maps. Satellite and roadway pictures. Good detail on brickwork color and pattern also several large arched doorways unseen before. i Also manage to view and record inside structures too within the courtyard.

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I traveled up the backstreet were new houses have been built,and from there the other side of this massive complex could be zoomed into giving insight to roof construction and pitched roofing angles.The white arrow on the far right is where i could view that side. I decided to take lots of pictures via my camera and PC Screen. The one above shows the road clearly seen via satellite which made it possible to view that unseen side of the complex. Only three sections were ever visible from the main road before.
I guess no one had the foresight to survey this important place for the history record before they destroyed it. :eh:
Anyway I took masses of pictures of ironwork and brickwork and manage to record the actual wood frame construction within the roof itself made possible viewing and zooming through the large gaping hole in the roof. That hole can be seen in the picture above.

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These pictures joined up make up the unseen side. I will zoom in and polish them up later.

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This place like Hougoumont had a large garden area out back with high thick Hawthorn hedges tracing that garden out along the main roadway,and around the entire back reaching around to that unseen side in the pictures. These pictures i have gathered are much better than nothing. Soon the images will be lost as Google Maps once more cover the area again.

I have built many scratch-buildings and i have always found Google Maps a prize in a draw to aid my working hobby. :thumbup: I love doing this kind of stuff. :-D BB
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Posted by C M Dodson on 18 Sep 2017, 07:47

Hi Mr B.B.

Thank you for your wonderful pictures.

Yes, I have found Google Earth a fantastic tool for wandering around battlefields.

My only caveat is comparing the images to more contemporary sources as many have changed over the years. The entrance 'towers' to the Quatre Bras farm seem modern compared to the paintings I have seen.

However, the pictures you have taken at the rear of the property are fascinating.

This is the difficult to access section of the structure as far as information is concerned.

Timmerman's took lots of pictures of the old property before its demolition but seem to have missed a trick which you have rectified.

Thomas Stoneys painting of the rear of the building shows no doors and also no rear building!

As I stated initially, the amount of contradictory information about what should be a simple subject is really frustrating.

I am not a master builder but I hope I can capture the 'feel' of the subject for my re fight.

Your works are inspired and I hope that you do not mind if I 'pinch' some of your ideas?

Best wishes,

Chris
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Posted by C M Dodson on 18 Sep 2017, 14:00

As an example of the confused research these two pictures illustrate it well.

The first shows the original entrance of the farm minus its apparently, later day more elaborate entrance.

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This one, from Mike Robinsons book is taken from the south east angle of the crossroads. The large barn seems original as does the house, although that has been altered. The entrance has disappeared and the building which pre demolition, at the back is not there.

The structure to the right has sprouted since 1815 to torn down later.

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Bonkerishness.

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Posted by Beano Boy on 18 Sep 2017, 21:33

Yes you are most welcome to that vital spark, and odd idea from me.
:eh: "Eh?"__ :sst: " yes bb,does have then now and again."

A very neat scratch-built model, in every shape and complex way.
I believe you will have lots of fun and wonderful game play with it. :-D BB
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