Work in Progress

1812 Campaign of Russia

Posted by Thomas Mischak on 07 Aug 2021, 04:57

Hello ADM.

thank you for the new pictures.
You are a very good painter.
Please allow me - the boots of the Line Train are wrong.
They had no red border - only black leather.
Look here:

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/french-tra ... 535924569/

https://imagesdesoldats.fr/en/artillery ... -1812.html

Bye
Thomas
User avatar
Thomas Mischak  Germany
 
Posts: 195
Member since:
29 Oct 2007, 07:59


Posted by ADM on 07 Aug 2021, 14:30

Hi Thomas,
of course Napoleonic uniforms are a complex subject and regulation is all about small details, I always take a lot of time to gather as much information as possible before each painting, but remenber, this time this is the guard artillery (as well for the train artillery, not the line train artillery) and from my documentation, there's a red (or white) line atop the boots, and it is well sculpted with the Italeri figures.


These uniforms are for the guard train artillery :

Image

But I'm glad you're checking accuracy because nobody is perfect and errors can always happen. In that case I would repaint them in the right way.
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by C M Dodson on 07 Aug 2021, 15:04

I think that Thomas is correct.

The heavy cavalry style boots had no trim.

The ‘hussar’ style did.

Best wishes,

Chris
C M Dodson  United Kingdom
 
Posts: 1912
Member since:
01 May 2015, 18:48

Posted by MABO on 07 Aug 2021, 15:13

I would say Thomas is right, as the portraited men wear the high boots and not the shorter ones in the style of the hussars -with the red . And the higher boots did not have any line. What you see are some kind of stockings or gaiters.

Image

Image

Image
User avatar
MABO  Europe
Supporting Member (Gold) Supporting Member (Gold)
 
Posts: 7995
Member since:
12 May 2008, 18:01

Posted by ADM on 07 Aug 2021, 15:27

I'm doing the hussard style horse guard artillery unit, long boots are more common for the line or guard foot artillery, the guard horse artillery is very typical, your photos show a mix of everything from foot to horse artillery.
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by guilhem on 07 Aug 2021, 17:53

So amazing work!!! how can you do all this work?
guilhem  France
 
Posts: 486
Member since:
25 Aug 2010, 17:49

Help keep the forum online!
or become a supporting member

Posted by MABO on 07 Aug 2021, 18:41

ADM wrote:I'm doing the hussard style horse guard artillery unit, long boots are more common for the line or guard foot artillery, the guard horse artillery is very typical, your photos show a mix of everything from foot to horse artillery.


Of course that is correct, but I was looking for examples of long boots And I am conferring to the HäT train figs and the figures from the Italeri supply-wagon. Those have long boots and not the hussard style ones. That is my point. ;-)

They can also be seen in the Rousselot plate you have posted.
User avatar
MABO  Europe
Supporting Member (Gold) Supporting Member (Gold)
 
Posts: 7995
Member since:
12 May 2008, 18:01

Posted by ADM on 07 Aug 2021, 19:43

I understand Mabo, so I've decided to paint them in white instead of red, according to my documents, it will make them more generic and less specific but its' accurate according to photos.
The Train of the Horse guard artillery was dressed mostly like gunners with common accessories.


Those short boots with red line and long boots with white line are for the horse guard artillery of 1812
Image



So here is the modifications I've just made :

Image

Image




You will notice on the photo below (the same unit of horse guard artillery) that for the period 1813-1814 the red and white line on boots disappeared completely and this is what could make confusion, uniforms was evolutive during the Napoleonic period.

Image
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by Peter on 07 Aug 2021, 20:42

First of all these are again some wonderfull painted figures! :thumbup:

And I love this discussion about the uniform. Very helpfull and interesting. Thanks guys! :yeah:
User avatar
Peter  Belgium

Moderator Moderator
 
Posts: 20694
Member since:
25 Mar 2008, 18:51

Posted by MABO on 07 Aug 2021, 20:57

Last post from my side: The white is behind or under respectively, that is my perception. The boots in the last picture are the same as before onthe right figure with the red epaulets. But I leave it up to you of course. :mrgreen: ;-)
User avatar
MABO  Europe
Supporting Member (Gold) Supporting Member (Gold)
 
Posts: 7995
Member since:
12 May 2008, 18:01

Posted by ADM on 07 Aug 2021, 23:18

Of course Mabo, the white seem to be socks or gaiters, but it doesn't matter, as long as it is painted the way it appear to be. Under boots but above the trouser.
If he wear it like that it's because it is regulation.
After 1812 there was nearly nothing left of the "Grande armée" and they simplified or eliminated plenty of details on uniforms to be less costly to manufacture.
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by Bessiere on 08 Aug 2021, 04:38

Incredible work ADM.Even with you showing me every stop you do I still dont know how you do it. Some folks around here have magical hands or something.
Bessiere  United States of America
 
Posts: 474
Member since:
23 May 2019, 15:50

Posted by Thomas Mischak on 08 Aug 2021, 06:11

Dear ADM,

thank you for the rework/repaint.
For your information - the "white" is a kneeguard in the boots - and
it´s over the boots. You see a little border in the frontside - and more in
the backside...

Best wishes for your impressive project!

Bye
Thomas
User avatar
Thomas Mischak  Germany
 
Posts: 195
Member since:
29 Oct 2007, 07:59

Posted by ADM on 10 Aug 2021, 12:46

I'm rather thinking about gaiters because they cover the knee :

https://medium.com/@aglaya.savova/pride ... f463c55d9d

and it can be black or white according to regulation, but probably of some others colors too, including civilian gaiters as it was the case for trousers, not always white or blue, but sometime, brown, grey or with stripes with different colors.
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by Thomas Mischak on 10 Aug 2021, 16:43

Hello ADM,

if you want to paint French Guard Artillery - black gaitors for campaign - white gaitors only for parade..

Vive L´Empereur
Thomas
User avatar
Thomas Mischak  Germany
 
Posts: 195
Member since:
29 Oct 2007, 07:59

Posted by Chariobaude on 10 Aug 2021, 20:43

i know normal people could only consider our discussions/debats as pure madness, but i love it so much !! :D
User avatar
Chariobaude  France
 
Posts: 222
Member since:
22 Feb 2016, 10:43

Help keep the forum online!
or become a supporting member

Posted by ADM on 16 Aug 2021, 13:19

After the Cannes film festival, it's the period for luxury cars in Cannes ! :-D

Bentley
Image

Brabus
Image

Image

Bugatti
Image

Image

Image

Ferrari
Image

Image

Lamborghini
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Mansory
Image

Image

Martinez Hotel
Image

Image

Mustang
Image

Image

Image

Porsche
Image

Rolls Royce
Image

Image

Image

Image

Rolls Royce and Ferrari
Image
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by Peter on 23 Aug 2021, 16:38

Aha! Now I know where I lost my car! :mrgreen: :joker:

Can we have these models in 1/72 scale, please? :-D
User avatar
Peter  Belgium

Moderator Moderator
 
Posts: 20694
Member since:
25 Mar 2008, 18:51

Posted by ADM on 24 Aug 2021, 18:55

Some more cars, well I realized that I never built any such car in 1/72 scale, but there's no need because I always have the real ones in my street ! ;-)
but it is nothing compared to the price of an F-35B jet fighter ! and if I had to choose I would take the F-35B to solve the problem of finding a place to park. And I wonder what all those cars will become when we will have to drive only electric car, will they be abandonned somewhere in a corn field by the shortage of fuel ???? it will be your chance to get one :mrgreen:

Rolls Royce
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Lamborghini
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Mercedes
Image

Image

Image

Image

Ferrari
Image

Image

Ferrari, Lamborghini and Mercedes
Image

Image

Ferrari
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Posted by ADM on 30 Aug 2021, 19:10

Probably the last batch of car for this season, it's all about Lamborghini and a strange but funny motorbike !
next time I will comeback with my work.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
User avatar
ADM  
 
Posts: 696
Member since:
11 Jul 2012, 12:42

Previous pageNext page

Return to Work in Progress