Modelling

Best ways of gluing/converting HaT/hard plastic soldiers?

Posted by Xantippos on 12 Aug 2017, 06:37

Well, recently I have been slightly converting some early Hat soldiers (or just giving them weapons, such as the Greek and Macedonian Hoplites) and found myself with the typical problem of the hard, slippery plastic that doesn't want to bond to anything on earth.

Of course, superglue/cyanocrilate glues to a certain extent, but a lot of times, with the slightest touch it will break.

I know this is a eternal problem, but I might have thought that somebody might have found a good technique.

I remember reading here that there was this solvent for slippery plastic, has somebody tried it? are there similar alternatives? acetone won't dissolve this kind of plastic.

P.S: I wish all sets would be like the Caesar or later Hat figures, the bond is so good with just super-glue....
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Posted by Wiking on 12 Aug 2017, 09:11

Xantippos wrote:
... slippery plastic that doesn't want to bond to anything ...


My way to convert soft plastic figures.

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Two times Esci soft plastic figure.

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The figure feel uncomfortable.

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The old nerve pathways must be exchanged. :mrgreen:

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Cut the old wiring. :mrgreen:

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Same here.

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Evergreen round rod. I think it is in inch not in mm the real diameter. So what?
The chosen diameter of the drill and the rod is up to you.

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The sharpness of the pic show you how he feel just now.

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Any superglue will work. The important thing is that you press slightly the 0.6 mm round rod into the 0.5 mm drilled hole. Will work with square rod too. Glue is only an addition. Gel glue is good to fill very small gaps by cutting not very well.

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Doctor Wiking present his result. A beautiful mind. :mrgreen:


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Posted by sansovino on 12 Aug 2017, 11:07

a very good tutorial!
I am prefering instead some green-stuff to link heads and bodies (via V-cuts of both for a better contact).
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Posted by Photoro Man on 12 Aug 2017, 13:17

I use a hot wire to `screw it into the head` - saves you the drilling etc.
The molten plastic insides of the head make the connection wire+ head harder than one could ever glue -
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Posted by Graeme on 12 Aug 2017, 14:11

I think the solvent you read about is the activator that comes with Loctite "All Plastics" cyanoacrylate glue:

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/sg_plstc/overview/Loctite-Plastics-Bonding-System.htm

There are probably other brands of the same stuff where you are that might be cheaper.

The activator is Heptane (or n-heptane) and it can be bought separately but it might be harder to find. Loctite sells it as 770 Primer which is available in 100ml bottles but it doesn't appear to be stocked by the major hardware stores here.

I just buy the two part plastics glues with activator, either Loctite or Selleys (a local brand). And it works well enough. I find I can get the joint apart if I need to but I haven't had too many occasions when the joint comes apart when I don't want it to.

Like Wiking if I'm swapping heads or arms I use a pin vice drill and use pins with the glue for a firmer joint. Some people use steel dressmaking pins but I just use whatever plastic pins I can find, Spare flagpoles, bristles from a dishwashing brush, etc.

With HaT's old plastic I haven't done much except use some of the spare heads, which have pins of course, and glue some bits of a roman shield to another figure. No problems with these.

I've also used this glue on HaT's new plastic, and Strelets, Italeri, ESCI and Waterloo 1815 figures to change poses and change weapons. I have also cut Italeri figures in half and swapped over the upper bodies. These were glued without pins and they're rock solid.

One thing I don't use this glue for is fixing Airfix horses to their bases, I weld those.
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Posted by Xantippos on 12 Aug 2017, 16:02

Many thanks. Graeme, that looks very interesting, as I want it basically to glue weapons, maybe change arms, to make ancient conversions, or just to finish the HaT sets, as some shields the pegs are not good enough, and super glue doesn't do the trick. Of course a clip there would be quite impossible. I have tried with a bit of epoxy but it shows a bit and is a bit of a mess for a shield, and much more for a weapon.

Will try to get that stuff, although locally I have never seen it. Maybe on the net.
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Posted by C M Dodson on 12 Aug 2017, 16:38

I use bond it a cyanoacrylate glue.

If you get a lump of plasticine and press it onto your work table you can then manoeuvre your victim into a position at whatever angle you need to get two flair surfaces that are horizontal.

This stops the head, musket etc reacting to the call of gravity.

Happy modelling.

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